Just got a newsletter the other day from one of the larger dating coach companies and had to write this blog post.
You see, as per 99% of the marketing out there, it's my gut feel this company exaggerates their student success rate.
I'm not going to name names, and hell, it's a pretty hard thing to prove either way so what's the point.
My purpose here is not to bag out some other mob. I've got more productive things to do with my time.
My purpose here is to dispel any unrealistic views on what you can expect from pick up and to spare you from the stress that these views will give you.
You see, it's a personal gripe for me because once upon a time I fell for it myself. Back in 2007 I reached a stage where I was getting some really good results. Sure, I wasn't perfect. I laid 20 girls that year and they were some cute/cool girls, but they weren't the model looking girls I saw plastered all over the dating company websites. I wasn't at the stage where I could walk into a club, say a few things, snap my fingers and walk out with the hottest 10 each week.
So I started to wonder. Well, I started to more than wonder. I started to experience 'results anxiety'. Damn, from what I was reading these dudes are out there and they are OWNING it and having threesomes with models, and here I was, standing around with my cock in my hand back in Australia laying an 8 once or twice a month.
So I made the trek to LA to see what I could learn.
Whilst there I got the chance to sarge with some celebrity PUAs. Most of them were really cool guys and I ended up coming friends with some. Now, as expected, these guys had seriously awesome game, although anyone thinking gurus have MLTRs with penthouse pets are dreaming.
My biggest realisation during my time there was that I had some unrealistic views on what success in this area looks like.
Here are some real world results I've personally verified:
Bootcamp with Company 1 - 8 guys, 3 instructors, regular 3 day/night course
Results - 3 students had makeouts, one had a lay 2 days later from a girl met on course (note, this was a pretty advanced student).
Bootcamp with Company 2 - 6 guys, 2 live-in instructors, 14 days straight teaching and traveling around.
Results - Had girls back home a few times but zero lays.
Bootcamp with Company 3 - 2 guys, 1 instructor, regular 3 day/night course
Results - both students had makeouts, 1 got laid, 1 got to 3rd base (both advanced students).
Bootcamp with Company 4 - 3 guys, 2 instructors, regular 3 day/night course
Results - one advanced student had a few makeouts.
All those companies are big name companies you probably have heard of.
I'm sure if you do a bit of detective work you'll find similar stories. So any claims about %'s of students getting laid that are wildly different to the above - do take with a huge grain of salt.
Contact actual guys who went on the course and speak to them if possible. Anyone whose only source of information about a company you take is from an online forum that same company owns, moderates and censors... well... don't be surprised if you're let down later on.
So when the Underground Dating Seminar took 6 guys out in Chicago on a regular 2-3 day workshop and 4 of them got laid off cold approach - that's something REALLY special. Seems like many companies are claiming this all the time.
You were probably attracted to our teachings because of our 'no-BS marketing' and raw approach in the first place. Sure, we've got the flashy website now but for years it was pretty basic. As a boutique operation our company prides itself on great results and integrity and there is no exaggeration in our field reports or marketing.
We get amazing results with students at a consistent rate, but we're not going to delude them. We're only setting them up for disappointment if we did.
Dale P.
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